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mugge skrev: herregud...en rask lille H5N1 skader jo ikke..eller?. Jeg er nu ikke begejstret for åbne gade køkkener,jeg ser aldrig damerne vasker deres hænder,og de modtager penge fra så mange kunder,og hvis man lige har i bag hovedet at der sjældnet er toilet paper på thai toiletter..jaa så bliver regnestykket temmelig ubehageligt.  Det sgu synd for dig mugge der er godt nok meget af det der er skide godt og man bliver ikke syg af det for det kommer jo på grillen og ristes. Men ok det da rigtigt som du siger der mange hænder der har rørt ved det. Men der kan du da se hvordan og hvorledes det bliver tilbereredt, tænk på en farlang restaurent hvad der foregår inde bagi som du ikke kan se, næ så hellere en lille thai restaurent hvor man kan se hvordan maden bliver tilberedt 
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tja jsh, et eller andet sted har du vel ret. Jeg kan da også godt spise der. Du har ihvertfald ret med man ikke ved hvad der sker inde bag i køkkenet på mange resutanter. |
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Lagt på d. 26/01-2007 15:45
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Børn reddes fra sex-slaveri. Lederen af en organisation i det nordlige Thailand, der kæmper for at standse sexslaveriet i Thailand og nabolandene, har skabt så stor opmærksomhed om børneprostitution, at han allerede to gange er blevet indstillet til Nobels Fredspris. Mae Sai Den 45-årige Sompop Jantraka blev indstillet til Nobels Fredspris i både 1996 og 1998. Hans direkte mål er imidlertid ikke at frelse verden, men at vriste børn fra Den Gyldne Trekant ud af sex-slaveriet i Sydøstasien. Nu er han også begyndt at hjælpe statsløse børn, født af burmesiske Shan-folk, der er flygtet til Thailand, til en uddannelse, der giver børnene mulighed for en fremtid og måske et statsborgerskab i Thailand. Pensri, der selv kom til institutionen for truede børn for 13 år siden, er i dag den daglige leder. Men bag organisationen står den 45-årige Sompop, der har flere ideer til at hjælpe fattige børn i Sydøstasien til en tryg tilværelse. Foto: Mik Eskestad Vi møder Sompop på hans institution, DEPDC, Development and Education Centre for Daughters and Communities, i Mae Sai i det nordligste Thailand, tæt på grænsen til Burma. Sompop er ikke længere daglig leder af DEPDC. Det er den 26-årige Pensri, der selv kom til institutionen med det første hold piger for 13 år siden. Pensri, der er fra en nærliggende landsby, har i dag mand og en søn på fire år. Hun undgik at ende i børneprostitution, fordi hun kom til DEPDC, som hun er indstillet på at arbejde for resten af sit liv. På samme tid, som Pensri kom til DEPDC, endte mellem 40 og 50 af hendes jævnaldrende veninder fra landsbyen som børneprostituerede. De fleste kom til Bangkok, andre til Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Japan og andre steder i Asien. Penge - ingen glæde »De af dem, der er kommet tilbage hertil, er mine veninder i dag. Nogle af dem tjente mange penge ved prostitution, de har købt store huse og lever et velhavende liv. Men de har ikke fundet ro i et fast forhold og har ikke fået børn. Andre er kommet hjem uden penge. De holder sig mere tilbage. To, ved jeg, er døde af AIDS, og andre er HIV-smittede. Mange ved jeg slet ikke hvor er blevet af. Blandt dem er der formodentlig flere, der er døde. Prostitution er ikke noget godt job. Det giver penge, men ingen glæde, og de tidligere prostituerede, jeg kender, har ikke nok selvtillid til at gå ind i et parforhold og skabe en familie,« fortæller Pensri. »Men de tidligere prostituerede, der er kommet tilbage, er velkomne her på hjemegnen, og ingen ser ned på dem. Det er accepteret, at de har været prostituerede,« siger hun. Sompop føjer til, at det både er godt og ondt, at prostitution gennem adskillige generationer har været et accepteret erhverv i Thailand. »Det fører også til, at alt for mange tror på, at man kan dyrke fri sex uden egentlige konsekvenser,« siger han, men gør dog opmærksom på, at selv om han personligt gerne så, at prostitution forsvandt, er det ikke prostitution som sådan, han bekæmper. »Jeg koncentrerer mig om at være med til at hjælpe børn,« slår han fast. Fattige familier sælger undertiden deres døtre for 16.000 baht, knap 3000 kr., til mellemhandlerne, der igen sælger pigerne til bordeller over hele Asien. Fattige forældre »Jeg fordømmer ikke forældre, der ofte tror, deres døtre på 10-15 år får job som servitricer i storbyerne. Betalingen er også en formue for de fattige forældre,« siger Sompop. »Men problemet vokser, fordi udbredelsen af HIV og AIDS har fået mange asiatiske mænd til at tro, at de undgår smitte, hvis de har sex med mindreårige piger. Efterhånden ender stort set ingen thaier som børneprostituerede. I stedet har de skruppelløse handlere vendt sig mod de fattige familier i Burma, Laos og Kina, hvor de enten køber børn under løgnagtige forudsætninger, eller simpelthen kidnapper dem.« Sompop og Pensri hjælper ikke alene de misbrugte børn på institutionen i Den Gyldne Trekant, de arbejder på at skabe et netværk, så børnene kan komme hjem til de familier, hvor de stammer fra. »Endnu fungerer det ikke, som det skal. Vi sendte de første 13 børn hjem til Burma sidste år. Vi har fået at vide, at de fire af dem er tilbage i prostitution i Thailand igen. Og i de tilfælde er vi desværre magtesløse, som sagerne står nu. Derfor håber vi, at vi kan få skabt et samarbejde med myndighederne i Burma, så vi kan sikre, at børnene igen får et ordentligt hjem hos familien, de kommer fra.« Sompop føjer til, at så vidt han kan se, er den eneste vej til at hjælpe med at bedre forholdene for de fattige burmesere at samarbejde med Burma. »Selv om der måske sker ting i Burma, vi ikke bryder os om, opnår vi intet ved blot at vende burmeserne ryggen. De er blandt de fattigste i verden, og vi skal hjælpe dem til at få en bedre hverdag gennem samarbejde. Det er det eneste reelle, vi kan gøre,« mener Sompop. På institutionen Mae Sai får børnene mulighed for at skabe sig en fremtid. Foto: Mik Eskestad Udover børneprostituerede hjælper DEPDC også børn af burmesiske familier fra Shan-staten, som i titusindvis er flygtet over grænsen til Thailand. »Hvis børnene er født i Thailand, har de ret til skolegang og lægehjælp. Vi tager os af børnene her på stedet. Ofte er det vanskeligt at overbevise myndighederne om, at børnene er født i Thailand. I mere end 600 tilfælde har jeg imidlertid med min underskrift bevidnet, at børn af burmesiske forældre er født her i landet, så de har fået fødselsattest,« fortæller Sompop. Han siger, det ikke er vanskeligt at rejse penge fra internationale organisationer til arbejdet. Det bakkes også op af den thailandske kongefamilie og af regeringen. Hentede børn ud For en halv snes år siden rykkede Sompop og hans medarbejdere selv ind i bordeller i blandt andet Bangkok for at hente de børneprostituerede. Nu kommer størstedelen af de tidligere børneprostituerede til DEPCD ved myndighedernes mellemkomst. Det er langtfra alle thaier, der er glade for arbejdet i DEPCD, simpelthen fordi det skaber opmærksomhed om børneprostitution og derved gør det stadig mere vanskeligt at fortsætte handelen med børn til prostitution. Sompop fortæller ikke om de alvorlige trusler, han har fået. Det regner han blot for en forventet risiko i forbindelse med arbejdet for at skabe bedre forhold for nogle af verdens fattigste børn, der lever i risiko for at blive seksuelt misbrugt. [url]www.jp.dk/explorer/mekong:aid=1534750/[/url] History of the oldest profession. Sukanya Hantrakul, director of a community women's health center has one theory about the origins of Thai prostitutes. " Firstly, until the turn of the century (1800) when slavery was abolished by King Rama V, the Law of the Three Seals allowed men to buy female in financial difficulty to become wives of third category, the lowest. The first category being parental-consent wives and the second being women who wed married men to become minor wives. With the abolition of slavery,the slave wives disappeared. However this new "freedom" caused many women to "voluntarily" enter prostitution to earn a living. It is interesting to note that brothels--the real thing, not those in the guise of massage parlors or any of the more sophisticated forms of whorehouses today-- were perfectly legal under the Sexual-Related Diseases Control Act at that time. Prostitutes as well as owners of brothels were systematically taxed by the state. Secondly. it was mainly due to a petition by an unorthodoxThai woman that King Rama lV enacted the Sale of Wives by Husbands Actin 1868, forbidding husbands to sell wives like cattle without their consent." Is prostitution illegal in Thailand? Prostitution has been illegal in Thailand for more than 30 years. Not until recently has the Thai government made it an offense for a man/woman to have sexual relations with a prostitute aged between 15-18 or younger. The penalties for customers are 1-3 years imprisonment and/or a fine ranging from 20,000-50,000 baht. If the girls are younger, the penalties will be increased to 2-6 years imprisonment and/or a fine of from 40,000- 120,000baht. [Source: Bkk post July 5, 1994]. At present, the Criminal Code already stipulates heavy punishment for those who sexually violate minors aged15 and under. According to the Criminal Code, any person having sex with minors faces 4 to 20 years imprisonment and/or fines of 8,000 to 40,000baht regardless of consent. Procurers, meanwhile, will get jail terms of3 to 15 years and fines of 6,000 to 30,000 baht if the girls are aged between15 to 18. If the girls are younger than 15, the more severe jail terms are 5 to 20 years and fines of 10,000 to 40,000 baht. For parents who sell their daughters into prostitution, these penalties will be raised by one-third.[Source: Bkk Post April 5, 1996]. But until there is an agreement on the number of prostitutes in Thailand, we may never know if the penalties has affected the business. "Customers may be discouraged from patronizing underage prostitutes because of the penalties stipulated by the bill. But the legal sanctions will not stop many Thai men from visiting a brothel or an entertainment place which also offers sexual services so long as this society believes that it is not morally or socially wrong, but something very normal, for Thai men to have a little extra-marital sex with prostitutes from time to time." -Bangkok Post July 5, 1994 Editorial page 4 Harsh law has also been passed to eliminate forced prositutiton. In April 1996, the lower house passed a bill to punish persons who detain or deprive others of their freedom or who assault or force others to sell themselves. The punishment includes jail term of between 10 and 20 years and a fine of between 200,000 and 400,000 baht. If the detainment results in serious injury to victims, the punishment increases to life imprisonment and if the victims die, the death sentence. [Source: Bangkok Post April18, 1996] "In the face of the country's notoriety as a haven of child prostitution, the House of Representatives is reacting by issuing a set of more severe penalties for brothel customers, brothels, procurers and parents who "sell" their daughters. These efforts assume that once the legal amendments forharsher penalties pass into law, they will be effectively enforced. The sad reality is, however, that child prostitution is thriving on policecorruption. And as long as the Government continues to turn a blind eyeto this cancerous situation, the sexual oppression of children will nevergo away. And short of legal enforcement, the most perfect laws will endup as meaningless bits of paper of use only in assisting corrupt policeofficers in extorting more money from the parties involved. " - Bangkok Post April 5, 1996 Editorial Two million Thai prostitutes? The number of prostitutes in Thailand remains a mystery because manyare part-time prostitutes and often relocate. Depending on definition of"prostitute", the data varies (see also BangkokPost Nov 1994 "Prostitution is acknowledged as one of the country's most pervasiveand troubling social problems. Estimates of the numbers of women and children engaged in prostitution vary widely. According to the Public Health Department, there are approximately 75,000 prostitutes in Thailand. The large number of temporary sex worker and the migratory nature of prostitution in Thailand makes an accurate estimate of the number of women involved in the sex industry difficult. Several well-informed nongovernmental organization (NGO) groups estimate that the number of prostitutes at any given time range at close to a million. However, all NGO's generally discount the 75,000 figure reportedby the government as grossly misleading." - US Human Rights report, Thailand, Section 5. Discrimination basedon Race, Sex, Religion, Disability, Language, or Social status, Page 744 Reports constantly isolate prostitution as a problem inhibiting Thailand'sgrowth as a sound nation. Rather than complaining about the articles inthe World's press which highlight the plight of women, it is time for the powers that be to do something about it. They must look down on exploitation. Society must look towards equality of all people in cohesion with internationally acceptable morality. - BangkokPost Feb 8, 1995 Editorial page 4 What's the problem? Most people believe that in Bhuddism, prostitution is morally wrong,as Ajarn Tawit Chitsomboon has explained in soc.culture.thai. However, Professor Chatsumarn Kabilsingh. argues in the book, "Thai women in Bhuddism"that Bhudda did not turn his back on prostitutes, but it's the Thai Bhuddism mixed with chauvinistic values which degrades promiscuous women while accepting promiscuous men. She also suggest that the reestablishment of the nun (MaeJis) institute will provide a spiritual sanctuary for the homeless or prostitutes and may also help reduce prostitution. Without workers right, prostitution is slavery for low-income prostitutesin local brothels. The interviewer for the July 1994 survey (see detailsin the section "Prostitutes, who are they?" ) observed that in one low-tier brothel the prostitutes are fined 2000 baht (~80 dollars)if they went out shopping without permission, while in another brothel,prostitutes are prohibit from going out with a male friend. For some brothels, letters to/from the family back home are also opened and read by the owners. Many brothel owners tell their employee to stop menstruation by eitherusing cotton balls or taking all but the last 5 birth control pills. Aside from pleasing customers and following the rules set by brothels owners and pimps, prostitutes deals with the pressure of being far away from home,health concerns and sometimes guilt. The effects are more drastic when the stress is passed on to the children of the prostitutes. Proper counseling for prostitutes and their children is far from sufficient.. Health is the main issue of concern involving prostitution. Although, form interviewing with the brothels owner the survey shows that routine checks is provided by the owners. Prostitutes argue that they were chargedfor the health service afterwards which results in less frequent checks.(see the section on Prostitutes: Who are they? for alink to a AIDS in Thailand homepage) Among all the problems that surroundprostitution, the Thai government puts Thailand's Image in the highestpriority. Politicians spend their efforts in covering-up the problem insteadof solving it. For example, the former name of the Soon Pitak Sitti YingBorikarn or the Empower Center (since 1985) , meaning "Center forthe protection of the rights of women in the entertainment sector",was rejected by the Office of National Culture Commission for the reasonof inappropriate meaning. The present name Mooniti Song Saern Okard Puying(Empower Foundation), meaning "Foundation to promote opportunity forwomen", was used in since July 1994. Child Prostitution. While there are many disagreement on how the problem of prostitutionshould be handled, most people agrees that child prostitution must be eradicated. There is a widespread abuse of children in prostitution and child labor.The government is committed to eliminating child prostitution, and thecabinet passed a resolution in September to begin revision of the existingCriminal Code to include clients and procurers of child prostitution. Asin the case of adult prostitution, the current laws against prostitution have not been adequately enforced. - US Human Rights report, Thailand, Section 5. Discrimination based on Race, Sex, Religion, Disability, Language, or Social status, Page 745 No matter how widespread prostitution may be, Nakhon Nayok Deputy Governor, Charoen Chaiprasith believes eradication of that involving children is possible. "Personally, I think campaigning against all prostitutes is very difficult. But with child prostitutes, I think it is very possible,"he said. -Bangkok Post July 5, 1994 Editorial page 4 Whois to blame? As with any other social problem, there are many factors which causethe prostitution problem in Thailand. Some prefers to blame the prostitutes,the parents who sell them, the customers, the gangsters, the corruptedpolice, or the social and financial inequalities. The Crime Suppression Division is, however, blaming child prostitution problem on foreigners. In soc.culture.thai, Mark C.Squire also present an interesting viewon howone can help to reduce the child prostitution patronage. Crime Suppression Division commander Pol Maj-Gen Khamnueng Thamka semsaid said there are quite a few places where boys are provided for sexually demented foreigners including entertainment places at Patpong, Soi Cowboy,Silom, Surawong, Lumpini Park, and Khao Sarn Road. "There are also agents who contact customers at various major hotels to offer boys undertheir control to customers for sex," he said. "In order to suppress child prostitution we are trying to cut the links between suppliers and customers, as well as monitoring the activities of foreigners with strange sexual urges and desires." - BangkokPost May 15, 1995 page 7 While the police tries to put the blame on foreigners, it is evident that the lack of enforcement and possible involvement in the business bythese officers are also responsible for the widespread of prostitution.KhunBusakorn Suriyasarn explains in soc.culture.thai about where she thinksthe demand for prostitution in Thailand is coming from. Whoare the prostitutes? In an attempt to solve the problem of AIDSand prostitution in Thailand, a behavioral research was conducted. Six hundred and seventy-eight prostitutes in 91 places in 3 provinces werer andomly interviewed. These three provinces, Bangkok, Saraburi and Udonthani,were picked to represent three levels of economy. The results (From thebehavioural research for AIDS prevention in Thailand July 1994) are postedhere Whereis the solution? Is illegalization a part of the solution? What do we gain from changing a once legal profession regulated by the health ministry into an organized crime? Currently, the law requires the prostitutes to be sent to rehab centers as a part of the punishment while the big boss of the trade remains untouched. In the face of our lack of law enforcement, would worker rights and other career options be a more practical solution in the best interestof the prostitutes? Decriminalization and other preventive measures maybe possible solutions to this complex problem. Some are already working towards the solution : Daughters'Education Program which is funded by the UNICEF ;counsellingfor prostitutes; education for prostitutes (the Empower Foundation).The contact addresses of these organizations are given at the end of this homepage. Education is not a silver bullet solution but it is an important key to eliminate the financial needs of prostitutes. A 1994 Survey (details in the section: Prostitutes: Who are they?" ) shows that the average number of years in school of prostitutes from 91 different business establishments is 6 years while the average income is 6100 baht per month (the equivalenceof the salary of a person with 12 years of school.) However, only reducing the supply will not help as long as there is no reduction in the demand. Document No. 178 from the Population and social research institute at the Mahidol University suggest that the reason for the growing number of prostitutes in Thailand is the war (U.S. Navy Base) , tourism, the Thai double standard, and traditional guest welcoming activities. The existing double standard also enables prostitution to be in such high demand. While"good" Thai women are expected to minimize their sexual activity, Thai men are introduced to prostitution as early as their adolescent years. Many Thai men continues their activity beyond their marriage while their spouses accept that it is an alternative to having an affair. Prostitutes in Thailand has always been a male-bonding ritual regardless of the legal situation. Efforts in changing these attitudes may be more worthwhile than punishing the prostitutes. "Prostitution is not a problem which can be tackled by legal measures alone, but one which must be dealt with on different fronts simultaneously. A major target area is to change the attitude of Thai men towards the fleshtrade through re-education. This will definitely be an uphill and time-consuming task. If this does not work for people of this generation, hopefully it will be successful with succeeding ones." -Bangkok Post July 5, 1994 Editorial page 4 [url]www.siamweb.org/content/News-Culture/155/index_eng.php[/url] |
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Ja Chili kan være stærkt  Så bamsen holder sig til farang mad Dejlige kartofler og sovs og frikadeller uhm eller ja stegt flæsk og petersille sovs Hvorfor spise thai mad når man kan få god dansk mad bamsen |
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Lagt på d. 26/01-2007 19:10
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Jeg holder mig også til det danske køkken når jeg opholder mig i Pattaya. Good for Falang  |
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Jamen bamse og good for farlang, tager i helt til thailand for at spise dansk mad som man kan få meget bedre herhjemme? |
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Lagt på d. 26/01-2007 22:16
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ja good for farlang og bamsen i er vist et par slemme turister,når i er i Thailand ha ha. . |
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Stoney Hvad mener du med slemme Jeg opfører mig altid pænt, og jeg er altid i mine fine korte bukser og jeg klæder ikke om for at spise ved gade køkkener eller andre steder  Nejjeg spiser for det mest e thai food, men jeg kan da godt lige snige mig ind, og spise farang food,især når konen er med. Ellers besøger jeg da jørgen i chr 4 og hygge snakker bamsen |
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Sjovt nok så tager det ikke lang tid at finde ud af hvor man spiser godt skandinavisk mad, men siger man til dem eller får konen til det , at de ikke må lave maden stærk så bliver det heller ikke det , jeg spiser thai mad der nede men ikke ret meget her hjemme, jeg vil da også heller have stegt flæsk og et par deller, men thai mad behøver ikke være stærk, men mange af ens venner er bange for hvis de får græshopper eller biller at spise, jeg vil da nu heller ikke have dem, men mange forbinder nok Thailand med stærk og sjov (mærkelig) mad, men de har nu også Hotdog og fritter der nede.
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Hej bamsen,en olding jeg kendte engang kom altid med den svada,når vi skulle til Spanien i 70,kunne vi ikke spise maden dernede kunne vi sgu blive hjemme,men han var gammel sømand. Turister var sådan nogle slemme personer der troede de vidste alt,ja det var hans synspunkt han var en sær orginal,men alligevel meget rar,,jeg siger det ofte i sjov,for sjov er da gratis endnu |
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stoney skrev: ja good for farlang og bamsen i er vist et par slemme turister,når i er i Thailand ha ha. .Giver dig ret stoney, i hvert fald med bamsen |
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Davs Ja vi bestemmer gudskelov stadig selv, hvad vi vil spise Men jeg spiser næsten alt mad....især hvis det er gratis haha der kom jeg før dig jsh bamsen |
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