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| JackH |
Lagt på d. 16/02-2009 13:26
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Hvorfor har vi ikke nogle på DTW der kan fortælle historier som ham her: (på engelsk, igen, jeg beklager... smid den i Google-oversætter-kværnen!) Baby Bernie By Restless in Rawai Watching the news unfold lately is a terrible thing. The economy, Gaza, Somalia pirates, box jelly fish in Phuket, The amount of bad news is endless and there is no sense of dwelling on it. But I was just thinking if anyone else has noticed a similarity between the beauties of Thailand and Bernie Madoff? I was eating lunch today with my best friend, an American who has been here for ten years, about the same amount of time that I have. Having lived in New York City for twenty years I feel that I have become inured to the local sirens of romance. Those screaming noises that sound and ring in your head and / or a group of sea nymphs who by their sweet singing lured mariners to destruction on the rocks surrounding their island. I apologize for saying this as I am so annoyed when people write in and say, ‘Let me tell you a little about myself. I am young, handsome, muscular and intelligent’. Yeah sure, who cares? My pal Henry fell right in love with one of the first girls that he met. Okay, if he is happy, good for him. He gave her money to buy some land from her mother who never recorded the deed or sale and when she passed, the sister was left the land that Henry had supposedly paid for. There was no getting it back. ‘I need to have a car,’ Henry’s girl said. ‘I can find a good used Toyota for 400,000 baht.’ Henry gave her the money and she walked right into the showroom and bought a new Toyota right off the floor and proudly drove it home for Henry to see. He was in a bit of a shock and also a pickle now as the car was in her name, he could not sell it and still owed another 400,000 baht on it. What did he do? He paid it off. Money invested in a romance. But the romance paid dividends; the girl was young and attractive and Henry wasn’t. He had invested and it seemed to be paying off. This past year he went to America and she wanted to go with him so they were married, America not being an easy country for Thai girls to visit. ‘Christ! You’re getting married? Isn’t that a bit like telling me you have a mouse in your kitchen and you are going out to buy a shotgun? Henry became enraged at my audacity. ‘It’s not your business. I love her.’ Well, he’s right. He had reason to love her just as Bernie’s investors loved him, getting solid returns year after year even though deep in their heart it seemed a bit too good to be true, all that cash rolling into their bank accounts and all that love and affection from a girl half your age. Just think of Stephen Greenspan, the clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Colorado, one of the world’s leading experts on financial scams and the author of “Annals of Gullibility: Why We Get Duped and How to Avoid it.” Prof Greenspan lost a big percentage of his retirement savings investing with Bernie so we have to have some sympathy for these poor guys who keep writing heart rendering submissions into Stick listing a litany of red flags, lost finances and scams and then saying something silly like, ‘I consider myself to be street savvy.’ Was that a joke last week or what? The poor expats here in Thailand and Bernie’s marks, as con men call their victims – thought that they were on to a good thing, that they had the inside tract. It’s the basis of all con tricks and let’s face it; we are all considered to be marks here just by the color of our skin. And when a twenty-year old girl puts her arms around your old shapeless body, all of a sudden you are a legend in your own mind, the whole deal sure sounds good even if there are a few nagging doubts, you just invest a little more. Pot protection I think it was called in an excellent Stickman submission a few weeks ago. All that love, attention and affection that is pouring over you must count for something and it does. It’s her pot protection. As a con man in David Mamet’s film The House of Games explains: “It’s called a confidence game. Why? Because you give me your confidence? ---- No. Because I give you mine.” Because she looks into your eyes, holds you and says she will be yours forever; she surrenders her entire being to you, gives you her very body and her youth, just as Bernie continued to pour out ten to fifteen percent to his investors year after year. Too good to be true? Yes, but we all go on anyway. Last year my dear neighbor Henry gave his now wife 500,000 baht to purchase land up north; he was going to build her a shop house to keep her comfortable in case anything ever happened to him. A week later she comes back with no land title and no money. ‘What happened? I asked Henry. ‘I don’t know? Every time I go to ask her she just bursts out crying and I don’t want to upset her.’ ‘At least you don’t have to build her a house now that she has no land.’ ‘No, I still have to do that,’ he said. Eventually we did find out what happened to the money as Bernie’s investors also found out. It’s tucked away someplace and some of it has also been spent. The final cap on this story is that Henry's wife / girl lived with him for four entire years before she admitted to having two kids, aged nine and ten and they were due to go to school as the sister could not take care of them anymore in Issan; it had to be a boarding school. Henry, no slouch in the good heart department put up 200,000 for the first year which soon grew into 300,000 due to school books, uniforms and so on. The odd thing was that Henry had to send the checks to Bangkok and not Issan. ‘That’s because the owner of the school lives in Bangkok. ‘Don’t worry, we will get plenty of receipts for everything.’ And soon their fax machine spit out paper after school paper, all in Thai just as Bernie’s investors received monthly statements explaining everything -- so did Henry have written explanations. But no scheme lasts forever and Bernie got busted as did Henry’s wife. Oddly they are both still around. Henry’s wife said that her kids had two weeks off from school and she wanted to drive up to visit them. Henry wanted to get away from Phuket for a bit and decided to go for the ride even though his wife insisted he stay home. They did not have to pick up the children from school as they had come home already. Okay, Henry took the family out for dinner, the kids to some small zoo and on a river trip. Henry had picked up some Thai language skills and being a nice man and interested in the children’s welfare asked how they were doing in school. ‘What school?’ they said. It turns out they never went. They were just sitting around the house riding the pigs and harvesting rice. Henry was really mad and wanted to know where the money went just as Bernie’s investors are wondering and Henry got confused answers. ‘I gave it to my sister. I lent it to my friends. I lost some of it. Don’t worry; my sister will pay you back.’ It was unintelligible nonsense. Bernie’s investors got the same baloney. But Henry accidently found out where some of the money went. Still arguing after returning to Phuket, his wife took her car and drove to Patpong. She had a night out, lost her pocketbook and the car would not start. Henry called me on the phone at one in the morning. ‘Can I borrow your car and jumper cables?’ ‘Of course you can but do you really want your wife driving home at this hour? Henry said that she sounded dazed and confused. ‘Tell her to take a tuk-tuk back.’ It made sense and he called her at the payphone as she had lost her mobile also. The tuk-tuks wanted a thousand baht, enough to take a taxi to the airport and then take one back so she hired a motorbike driver for 700 baht. The next day Henry had to call to cancel her credit cards. There was a fifteen thousand baht charge on one already but if it was her that used the card or someone else no one knows. Why she was carrying around five credit cards is anyone’s guess but she gave the bank books to Henry so he could make the calls. An interesting thing happened. He discovered that she had squirreled away more than a million baht between the accounts. At least now he knows more than Madoff’s clients, not that it will do him any good either. For now, Madoff is free on $14 million bail while waiting to see if a judge agrees to the prosecutor’s bid to have him jailed after they claimed he violated his bail terms by sending watches and jewellery worth more than $1.4 million to relatives so both Bernie and Henry’s wife are walking around with access to stolen cash. The final straw, for me at least, was when we went out for lunch today to a new beautiful seaside restaurant on Chalong Bay. The scenery was stunning and complain as I may, it’s really beautiful here. Henry and his wife were seated across from me and I took out my camera. ‘Move together, I want to take a few pictures.’ ‘No’, Henry’s wife said. Okay, I shrugged my shoulders. ‘Did you find a girl for yourself yet,’ she said, changing the subject. ‘No, can you help me?’ ‘No, I want to look for myself.’ ‘Boy or girl? I said jokingly. ‘I look for man for myself.’ Right there and then my heart went out for Henry, the poor guy. But the other night on CNN, I was watching a story about Bernie’s investors. It was too sad and I turned it off. This is the end of the story. Henry is f##ked and so are Bernie’s investors. The only thing that I really decided was that I was going to call Henry’s wife --- Baby Bernie. Herlig historie! JackH |
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| pigalle |
Lagt på d. 16/02-2009 13:46
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JackH Og hvad er det nu lige du vil fortælle med den historie ?? ud over det sædvanlige negative, det har efter min mening ikke spor med virkeligheden at gøre, dem der vil snydes bliver snydt alle steder, sådan er det og sådan bliver det ved med at være. |
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| JackH |
Lagt på d. 16/02-2009 17:29
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Gaab.. Lidt kedsommeligt med "automatreaktionen" pigalle. Hør her: I'm a man with a mission!!! Læs her og bliv klogere: http://www.stickm...ader17.htm Beklager at må punktere din positive "Thailand-ballon"! JackH |
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| swed |
Lagt på d. 16/02-2009 18:34
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 Meget øvet medlem  Antal indlæg: 523 |
Der er mange der kan være glade for at min kone ikke kan tale dansk ennu , når hun går igang med at tale om thailand er det ikke kun possitivt det hun siger, og den hun nok er mest enig med her på siten er Jackh , så i hvores hjem har Jackh en supporter |
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| pigalle |
Lagt på d. 17/02-2009 02:46
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JackH skrev: Gaab.. Lidt kedsommeligt med "automatreaktionen" pigalle. Hør her: I'm a man with a mission!!! Læs her og bliv klogere: http://www.stickm...ader17.htm Beklager at må punktere din positive "Thailand-ballon"! JackH Du punktere ikke noget hos mig, jeg lever et godt familieliv i Thailand og er glad for det, jeg ved s.. da godt alt ikke er positivt, men som jeg har skrevet før, det er det ingen steder, men alt er ikke negativt som du giver indtryk for i de fleste af dine indlæg. |
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Lagt på d. 17/02-2009 14:38
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Lad dog alle pessimisterne komme med deres negative indlæg, de kender åbenbart ikke folk der har posetivt liv her i Thailand, og hvis man endelig vil bo i bombezonerne, så er man jo ikke klogere, her taler jeg om fastboende i Thailand, som jeg selv. Hvis man har boet for længe i thailand, uden at tage ved lære, er det på tide at skifte land, jeg kan anbefale bla.a. Danmark, hvor det selv er farligt at gå på "Strøget", når det bliver mørkt, og jeg tror mange af os godt kan undvære "den evige pessimist". |
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Lagt på d. 17/02-2009 14:40
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Jeg glemte lige at sige, at Babye Bernie selv har bedt om sine økonomiske lussinger, og det har hovedperten af dem der har fået nogle. |
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| Johnson |
Lagt på d. 17/02-2009 16:33
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jeg har sgu egentlig aldrig helt forstået den endeløse snak om hvorvidt livet i Thailand er rosenrødt eller om det er helvedes forgård. Ej heller har jeg fattet folks motiver til at gøre andre opmærksom på dette. Hvad er det man vil opnå?? Alle mennesker som besidder alm. sund fornuft kan da regne ud af intet sted på denne jord er perfekt. Og igen er "perfekt" kun et begreb som har forskellig betydning fra person til person, og dennes syn på livet. Det skal respekteres, at ikke alle personer har samme syn på hvad et godt liv/godt sted indeholder. til syvende og sidst handler det sgu om hvad den enkelte selv gør det til. Størstedelen af alle problemer er efter min mening selvforskyldte. Og man skal aldrig stoppe med at stille sig selv dette spørgsmål: "har noget af det jeg gør, gjort mit liv bedre?" hvis ikke, så kom videre og gør noget ved det! Jay, 25 år, erfaring som en 80-årig... |
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| pigalle |
Lagt på d. 18/02-2009 00:59
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Johnson skrev: jeg har sgu egentlig aldrig helt forstået den endeløse snak om hvorvidt livet i Thailand er rosenrødt eller om det er helvedes forgård. Ej heller har jeg fattet folks motiver til at gøre andre opmærksom på dette. Hvad er det man vil opnå?? Alle mennesker som besidder alm. sund fornuft kan da regne ud af intet sted på denne jord er perfekt. Og igen er "perfekt" kun et begreb som har forskellig betydning fra person til person, og dennes syn på livet. Det skal respekteres, at ikke alle personer har samme syn på hvad et godt liv/godt sted indeholder. til syvende og sidst handler det sgu om hvad den enkelte selv gør det til. Størstedelen af alle problemer er efter min mening selvforskyldte. Og man skal aldrig stoppe med at stille sig selv dette spørgsmål: "har noget af det jeg gør, gjort mit liv bedre?" hvis ikke, så kom videre og gør noget ved det! Jay, 25 år, erfaring som en 80-årig... Lige mit syn på sagen, så jeg kan kun være enig med ABEKATTEN og Johnson. Ha er god dag. |
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| jesperfrb |
Lagt på d. 18/02-2009 02:37
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Hej Jack! Tjaa...................................... Hvorfor skal vi fortælle disse historie??? De findes overalt på nettet, de findes enda i bogform!!!! Her er vi til for at hjælpe hinanden, ikke nedgøre, skræmme mennesker!!!! Der findes masser af forumer for det andet! Jeg mener at vi på DTW er til for at debattere Thailand. Og selvfølige skal de negative thing også frem, men kun når tid er!!!!!!! Lad DTW være for dem der vil det positive mellem Danmark og Thailand  Og kom med dine meninger i de tråde hvor folk spørg om Thaikvinder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For alt om Thailand handler ikke om kvinder der snyder  IT IS NICE TO BE IMPORTANT, BUT MORE IMPORTANT TO BE NICE!!!!! Jeg startede med ingenting, og har næsten det hele tilbage |
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| Brasmus |
Lagt på d. 18/02-2009 03:54
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jesperfrb skrev: Hej Jack! Tjaa...................................... Hvorfor skal vi fortælle disse historie??? De findes overalt på nettet, de findes enda i bogform!!!! Her er vi til for at hjælpe hinanden, ikke nedgøre, skræmme mennesker!!!! Der findes masser af forumer for det andet! Jeg mener at vi på DTW er til for at debattere Thailand. Og selvfølige skal de negative thing også frem, men kun når tid er!!!!!!! Lad DTW være for dem der vil det positive mellem Danmark og Thailand Og kom med dine meninger i de tråde hvor folk spørg om Thaikvinder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For alt om Thailand handler ikke om kvinder der snyder Hvor har du dog ret - jeg er meget ening med dig. Tak for et positivt og konstruktivt indlæg. Venlig hilsen Brasmus |
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| pigalle |
Lagt på d. 18/02-2009 09:16
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jesperfrb skrev: Hej Jack! Tjaa...................................... Hvorfor skal vi fortælle disse historie??? De findes overalt på nettet, de findes enda i bogform!!!! Her er vi til for at hjælpe hinanden, ikke nedgøre, skræmme mennesker!!!! Der findes masser af forumer for det andet! Jeg mener at vi på DTW er til for at debattere Thailand. Og selvfølige skal de negative thing også frem, men kun når tid er!!!!!!! Lad DTW være for dem der vil det positive mellem Danmark og Thailand Og kom med dine meninger i de tråde hvor folk spørg om Thaikvinder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For alt om Thailand handler ikke om kvinder der snyder Samme her, hvor har du dog ret. Ha en god dag. |
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| rinpoche |
Lagt på d. 18/02-2009 17:01
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jesperfrb skrev: Jeg mener at vi på DTW er til for at debattere Thailand. Og selvfølige skal de negative thing også frem, men kun når tid er!!!!!!! Lad DTW være for dem der vil det positive mellem Danmark og Thailand Hvem skal så afgøre hvornår tid er? Jeg siger: Lad dtw være for dem der vil oplyses om alle facetter i Thailand, om det være sig godt eller skidt. Ville da være kedeligt, om dtw skulle være et ensidigt Lars lalleglad forum. Ikke noget ondt ment med det Jesper, er blot uenig  |
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| jesperfrb |
Lagt på d. 18/02-2009 17:11
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Det mener jeg da heller ikke det skal, men der er snart så mange negative indlæg i tråde hvor de ikke hører hjemme! Og dette negative ødelægger mange ellers gode tråde, så det hele går op i børnehave! Men selvfølig skal der være plads til tråde der omhandler negativet og skygge sider af Thailand, for Thailand er da også negative ting  men lad det blive det i de tråde!!!Så det var min egentlige meninge med mit indlæg
Redigeret af jesperfrb d. 18/02-2009 17:12 IT IS NICE TO BE IMPORTANT, BUT MORE IMPORTANT TO BE NICE!!!!! Jeg startede med ingenting, og har næsten det hele tilbage |
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| rinpoche |
Lagt på d. 18/02-2009 17:20
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Forstået Jesper. Tak for din uddybning. |
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