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Nye regler for visa til Shengen / Danmark
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BoPhuket |
Lagt på d. 08/03-2014 17:20
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Hej min kone og jeg skal på ferie i Danmark i 89 dage til Sommer. Jeg er lige blevet orienteret om at der er lave nogle ændringer siden sidste år og har idag skrevet til Ambassaden i Bangkok og venter på et svar fra dem. Det skulle være blevet lettere af få et turist visa når man rejser sammen og er gift. Man skal ikke stille nogen garanti , man behøves ikke at benytte et firma til at lave ansøgningen, og min thai ægtefælle skal ikke have en forsikring mere. Er det korrekt? Hilsen Bo To The Royal Danish Embassy in Bangkok. Hi I am told that there is new rules for getting a visa for married couples and like to know how we do it correct this year. My wife and I lived for many years in Thailand, and every year we take a 89 days holiday in Denmark to visit my family. I now hear that she can get a Shengen visa more easy than the previus years ( vi are married for 11 years now and have every year had a 3 months vacation in Denmark ) Is it correct that we just come to the Ambassy in Bangkok with the Danish marrige certificate and the filled forms and now can get the visa in only two days ? That we do not need to show any insurance anymore That we can do all paperwork with the ambassy and not with the VFS ( Expensive service ) Please advise Write in English or in Danish We will fly to Bangkok in April for the visa, and we will fly to Copenhagen 28 of June 2014. Regards from FORNAVN EFTERNAVN Phuket ( " The French are incorrect about having to apply via TLS (or VFS), the Schengen. The French offer the option of going to TLS Contact, most other Schengen embassies offer the option of going to an external service provider (TLS Contact, VFS Global.) However this is NOT mandatory but entirely optional, the Schengen code (Code on Visa) dictates in artile 17 that you should have a genuine option of applying directly via the embassy witout the use of an external service provider. This is also explained in the Visa Handbook. " ) Posted Yesterday, 15:05 @Thaisail. Good to hear all went fine. But since you are a French national you should have been able to get a free visa fast and easy from the Swedish embassy (or any other Schengen embassy except the French embassy since you can't exercise these " freedom of movement" rights in the country that you have the nationality of) on your vacation last year. All that is required for the free application is that your wife proofs that she is your wife, a marriage certificate should be enough (if need be translated to English or another language that the embassy can read, and legalized by the Thai Ministry of foreign affairs. The French are incorrect about having to apply via TLS (or VFS), the Schengen. The French offer the option of going to TLS Contact, most other Schengen embassies offer the option of going to an external service provider (TLS Contact, VFS Global.) However, this is NOT mandatory, but entirely optional, the Schengen code (Code on Visa) dictates in article 17 that you should have a genuine option of applying directly via the embassy without the use of an external service provider. This is also explained in the Visa Handbook. Quote 4.3. The service fee Legal basis: Visa Code, Article 17 As a fundamental principle, a service fee may be charged to an applicant using the facilities of an external service provider only if the alternative is maintained of direct access to the consulate incurring the payment of just the visa fee (see point 4.4). 4.4. Direct access Maintaining the possibility for visa applicants to lodge their applications directly at the consulate instead of via an external service provider implies that there should be a genuine choice between these two possibilities. EN 22 EN Even if direct access does not have to be organised under identical or similar conditions to those for access to the service provider, the conditions should not make direct access impossible in practice. Even if it is acceptable to have a different waiting time for obtaining an appointment in the case of direct access, the waiting time should not be so long that it would render direct access impossible in practice. The different options available for lodging a visa application should be presented plainly to the public, including clear information both on the choice and the cost of the additional services of the external service provider (see Part I, point 4.1). See: http://www.thaivi...r-thai-gf/ and http://www.thaivi...-new-rule/ #17 Fastest Schengen Country For Visa?: post #17Donutz Member Members PipPip 20 posts Posted Yesterday, 16:16 Some useful links: The visa code can be found here: English: http://eur-lex.eu...810:EN:NOT French: http://eur-lex.eu...810:FR:NOT Handbook (also useful for details on visa for family members): http://ec.europa....dex_en.htm Visa for Non-EU family members explained (including examples): http://europa.eu/...dex_en.htm It's a real shame that various embassies do not abide the Schengen Visa Code due to either incompetence or even being unwilling to execute the rules properly (costing them too much time or money?). Complaining to the authorities does help: the EU Commission, SOLVIT, the ministry of foreign affairs of the particular nation you applied at, the EU delegation (" EU embassy" in Thailand etc. Bo - Danish Ocean Cruising Association representative in Thailand. Redigeret af John d. 13/03-2014 02:58 Sejlads i Thailand er den bedste måde at holde ferie på, væk fra hele ræset og alligevel ikke langt fra land for at være med.
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Lagt på d. 08/03-2014 18:06
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Lagt på d. 08/03-2014 22:12
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cali111 |
Lagt på d. 09/03-2014 03:22
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BoPhuket skrev: Hej min kone og jeg skal på ferie i Danmark i 89 dage til Sommer. Jeg er lige blevet orienteret om at der er lave nogle ændringer siden sidste år og har idag skrevet til Ambassaden i Bangkok og venter på et svar fra dem. Det skulle være blevet lettere af få et turist visa når man rejser sammen og er gift. Man skal ikke stille nogen garanti , man behøves ikke at benytte et firma til at lave ansøgningen, og min thai ægtefælle skal ikke have en forsikring mere. Er det korrekt? Hilsen Bo To The Royal Danish Embassy in Bangkok. Hi I am told that there is new rules for getting a visa for married couples and like to know how we do it correct this year. My wife and I lived for many years in Thailand, and every year we take a 89 days holiday in Denmark to visit my family. I now hear that she can get a Shengen visa more easy than the previus years ( vi are married for 11 years now and have every year had a 3 months vacation in Denmark ) Is it correct that we just come to the Ambassy in Bangkok with the Danish marrige certificate and the filled forms and now can get the visa in only two days ? That we do not need to show any insurance anymore That we can do all paperwork with the ambassy and not with the VFS ( Expensive service ) Please advise Write in English or in Danish We will fly to Bangkok in April for the visa, and we will fly to Copenhagen 28 of June 2014. Regards from FORNAVN EFTERNAVN Phuket ( " The French are incorrect about having to apply via TLS (or VFS), the Schengen. The French offer the option of going to TLS Contact, most other Schengen embassies offer the option of going to an external service provider (TLS Contact, VFS Global.) However this is NOT mandatory but entirely optional, the Schengen code (Code on Visa) dictates in artile 17 that you should have a genuine option of applying directly via the embassy witout the use of an external service provider. This is also explained in the Visa Handbook. " ) Posted Yesterday, 15:05 @Thaisail. Good to hear all went fine. But since you are a French national you should have been able to get a free visa fast and easy from the Swedish embassy (or any other Schengen embassy except the French embassy since you can't exercise these " freedom of movement" rights in the country that you have the nationality of) on your vacation last year. All that is required for the free application is that your wife proofs that she is your wife, a marriage certificate should be enough (if need be translated to English or another language that the embassy can read, and legalized by the Thai Ministry of foreign affairs. The French are incorrect about having to apply via TLS (or VFS), the Schengen. The French offer the option of going to TLS Contact, most other Schengen embassies offer the option of going to an external service provider (TLS Contact, VFS Global.) However, this is NOT mandatory, but entirely optional, the Schengen code (Code on Visa) dictates in article 17 that you should have a genuine option of applying directly via the embassy without the use of an external service provider. This is also explained in the Visa Handbook. Quote 4.3. The service fee Legal basis: Visa Code, Article 17 As a fundamental principle, a service fee may be charged to an applicant using the facilities of an external service provider only if the alternative is maintained of direct access to the consulate incurring the payment of just the visa fee (see point 4.4). 4.4. Direct access Maintaining the possibility for visa applicants to lodge their applications directly at the consulate instead of via an external service provider implies that there should be a genuine choice between these two possibilities. EN 22 EN Even if direct access does not have to be organised under identical or similar conditions to those for access to the service provider, the conditions should not make direct access impossible in practice. Even if it is acceptable to have a different waiting time for obtaining an appointment in the case of direct access, the waiting time should not be so long that it would render direct access impossible in practice. The different options available for lodging a visa application should be presented plainly to the public, including clear information both on the choice and the cost of the additional services of the external service provider (see Part I, point 4.1). See: http://www.thaivi...r-thai-gf/ and http://www.thaivi...-new-rule/ #17 Fastest Schengen Country For Visa?: post #17Donutz Member Members PipPip 20 posts Posted Yesterday, 16:16 Some useful links: The visa code can be found here: English: http://eur-lex.eu...810:EN:NOT French: http://eur-lex.eu...810:FR:NOT Handbook (also useful for details on visa for family members): http://ec.europa....dex_en.htm Visa for Non-EU family members explained (including examples): http://europa.eu/...dex_en.htm It's a real shame that various embassies do not abide the Schengen Visa Code due to either incompetence or even being unwilling to execute the rules properly (costing them too much time or money?). Complaining to the authorities does help: the EU Commission, SOLVIT, the ministry of foreign affairs of the particular nation you applied at, the EU delegation (" EU embassy" in Thailand etc. Bo - Danish Ocean Cruising Association representative in Thailand. Sidste år i april md. fik min kone 3 mdr. visum til Danmark på den danske ambassade i Bangkok. Jeg havde i forvejen ringet og meldt min ankomst. Det tog under en time og hun havde passet med derfra med visum. Hun havde ikke været i Danmark før. Ved ikke om det kan lade sig gøre igen, nu hvor Eva desværre ikke er der mere. Redigeret af John d. 13/03-2014 03:00 |
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Yonok |
Lagt på d. 09/03-2014 04:28
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Så vidt jeg husker kræver det bare et turist visum - og bevis på et rådigheds beløb på minimum 300 kr. om dagen under opholdet. |
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farao54 |
Lagt på d. 09/03-2014 08:55
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Heldigt vi har Webmaster il at tage sig af os..:-) |
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BoPhuket |
Lagt på d. 12/03-2014 10:16
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Svar fra Den Danske Ambassade i Bangkok. Hi Bo, Nothing is true. I wonder where you heard it? Everything is as usual. – But if you have been together for so long and your wife has been to SCHENGEN on such a regular basis I would advise you to apply for three year visa with multiple entries next time you apply. Med venlig hilsen/ Best regards ______________________________________________________ ANNETTE ROSENQVIST / ATTACHÉ (CONSULAR / CULTURAL) HEAD OF VISA SECTION DIRECT + (0) 2 343 1121 ROYAL DANISH EMBASSY, BANGKOK SATHORN SOI 1 (10 SOI ATAKARN PRASIT) / 10120 BANGKOK PHONE +66 809 2 343 1100 7 WWW.THAILAND.UM.DK |
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handy |
Lagt på d. 12/03-2014 10:58
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BoPhuket skrev: Svar fra Den Danske Ambassade i Bangkok. Hi Bo, Nothing is true. I wonder where you heard it? Everything is as usual. – But if you have been together for so long and your wife has been to SCHENGEN on such a regular basis I would advise you to apply for three year visa with multiple entries next time you apply. Med venlig hilsen/ Best regards ______________________________________________________ ANNETTE ROSENQVIST / ATTACHÉ (CONSULAR / CULTURAL) HEAD OF VISA SECTION DIRECT + (0) 2 343 1121 ROYAL DANISH EMBASSY, BANGKOK SATHORN SOI 1 (10 SOI ATAKARN PRASIT) / 10120 BANGKOK PHONE +66 809 2 343 1100 7 WWW.THAILAND.UM.DK nogen der kender prisen på et 3 års visa ......VH Handy Redigeret af handy d. 12/03-2014 11:06 |
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BoPhuket |
Lagt på d. 13/03-2014 04:31
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Sidste år i april md. fik min kone 3 mdr. visum til Danmark på den danske ambassade i Bangkok. Jeg havde i forvejen ringet og meldt min ankomst. Det tog under en time og hun havde passet med derfra med visum. Hun havde ikke været i Danmark før. Ved ikke om det kan lade sig gøre igen, nu hvor Eva desværre ikke er der mere.[/quote] Hej Cali 111. De sidste 12 år har vi fået en fra familien til at sende en indvitation, i år vil jeg for første gang prøve at at få visaet med vielse attesten, uden en familie indvitation, som ægtepar. vil du skrive lidt, - om du benyttede et firma til at ordne alt eller om du bare mødte op på ambassaden med ansøgnings skema, kopier af vielse attest, pas, Thai ID, bank information, eller er der mere der skal kopieres, når man ansøger som ægtepar ? og skal jeg med eller kan min kone komme alene som hun tidligere har gjort ( Turist visa med invitation ) |
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taxidriver990 |
Lagt på d. 13/03-2014 06:40
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@BoPhuket Prøv at tage et kig på ambassadens Web-site, der vil du finde netop det visa som I har tænkt Jer at ansøge om, og der findes også en " check-list " Følg den punkt for punkt og du vil enkelt kunne sikre det visa til din hustru Hvis du skille have spørgsmål før, under og efter gennem læsning af check-list eller udfyldelsen af ansøgningen så send en mail til Annette Rosenqvist Jeg vil æde min gamle hat på at hun vil være dig meget behjælpelig Almindelig sund fornuft er ikke så almindelig endda Bekymringer er som en gyngestol. De holder dig beskæftiget, men du kommer ingen vegne Kernen i frihed er at tvivle på autoriteter |
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BoPhuket |
Lagt på d. 13/03-2014 18:28
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Som i ser her er der forskellige opfattelser af hvordan de nye regler skal fortolkes . The French are incorrect about having to apply via TLS (or VFS), the Schengen. The French offer the option of going to TLS Contact, most other Schengen embassies offer the option of going to an external service provider (TLS Contact, VFS Global.) However, this is NOT mandatory, but entirely optional, the Schengen code (Code on Visa) dictates in article 17 that you should have a genuine option of applying directly via the embassy without the use of an external service provider. This is also explained in the Visa Handbook. Quote 4.3. The service fee Legal basis: Visa Code, Article 17 As a fundamental principle, a service fee may be charged to an applicant using the facilities of an external service provider only if the alternative is maintained of direct access to the consulate incurring the payment of just the visa fee (see point 4.4). 4.4. Direct access Maintaining the possibility for visa applicants to lodge their applications directly at the consulate instead of via an external service provider implies that there should be a genuine choice between these two possibilities. EN 22 EN Even if direct access does not have to be organized under identical or similar conditions to those for access to the service provider, the conditions should not make direct access impossible in practice. Even if it is acceptable to have a different waiting time for obtaining an appointment in the case of direct access, the waiting time should not be so long that it would render direct access impossible in practice. The different options available for lodging a visa application should be presented plainly to the public, including clear information both on the choice and the cost of the additional services of the external service provider (see Part I, point 4.1). See: http://www.thaivi... and http://www.thaivi... Some useful links: The visa code can be found here: English: http://eur-lex.eu... Handbook (also useful for details on visa for family members): http://ec.europa.... Visa for Non-EU family members explained (including examples): http://europa.eu/... It's a real shame that various embassies do not abide the Schengen Visa Code due to either incompetence or even being unwilling to execute the rules properly (costing them too much time or money?). Complaining to the authorities does help: the EU Commission, SOLVIT, the ministry of foreign affairs of the particular nation you applied at, the EU delegation (" EU embassy"wink.gif in Thailand etc. Posted 2014-03-12 18:50:47 The " free, fast and easy" visa is for those who can excercise their " freedom of movement rights" . This means that if you are Danish and you are married, then your wife can apply for a fast and free visa for a holiday to any Schengen country EXCEPT Denmark. So you could go on holiday to Germany or Spain, apply at the Spanish/German embassy with your passports and marriage certificate (translated to English, the orginal and translation stamped by the Thai ministry of foreign affairs) and apply for a visa. This should be granted free, fast and easy (the Spanish embassy is showing incompetence though, or unwillingness, see: http://www.thaivi...-new-rule/ ). Also see: http://europa.eu/...dex_en.htm (also available in Danish, select a language in the top right corner)) PS: And yes you can apply without going to VFS or TLS, all Schengen embassies should give people the clear option of the right of a direct application without going to an external service provider at all. Sadly not all embassies respect the Schengen Visa Code (which they are bound to!!). PPS the OP with US and French citizenship have applied at the Swedish embassy for a visa, which then should be granted fast, easy and free. Providing the marriage certificate should be enough (legalized by Thai authorities etc.). The child, carrying a US passport did not need a Schengen visa at all. If the OP went to the French embassy however then they would have to pay for the visa and provide all the documents including travel Insurance etc. |
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BoPhuket |
Lagt på d. 14/03-2014 08:35
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Svar fra Den danske ambassade. Kære Bo, Jeg sender dig her et link, hvor du kan finde alle oplysningerne. Jeg vil anbefale blot at hente oplysningerne hos os (og ikke hos alle andre). (Ting kan have ændret sig over tid). Ansøgning foregår hos VFS, hvor I kan indfinde jer uden forudgående aftale. – Skal det være på ambassaden skal I afsætte et par timer og der skal bookes en tid. – Første ledige tid er i april en gang. Vedr. forsikring er Mastercard OK, hvis det klart fremgår at din hustru er dækket. – Husk der er en sagsbehandlingstid på 15 dage. http://thailand.u...tay-visas/ Med venlig hilsen/ Best regards ______________________________________________________ ANNETTE ROSENQVIST / ATTACHÉ (CONSULAR / CULTURAL) HEAD OF VISA SECTION DIRECT + (0) 2 343 1121 ROYAL DANISH EMBASSY, BANGKOK SATHORN SOI 1 (10 SOI ATAKARN PRASIT) / 10120 BANGKOK PHONE +66 809 2 343 1100 7 WWW.THAILAND.UM.DK Sejlads i Thailand er den bedste måde at holde ferie på, væk fra hele ræset og alligevel ikke langt fra land for at være med.
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